Ted Gioia, the author of Music: A Subversive History (Basic Books), joins Dave to talk about dangerous and subversive music and how it ultimately transforms society and becomes the accepted way of doing things. For musical context, Ted chose tracks from Jelly Roll Morton, The Beatles, Bing Crosby, Son House and Dave slipped in a piece from Miles Davis’ A Tribute to Jack Johnson.

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Edited by Geoffrey Countryman

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