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Great saxophonist, composer general all around genius Tim Berne joins Dave Douglas in conversation about several of his recent projects.

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Michael and Dave talk to composer and pianist Matt Mitchell about his etudes, about Ches Smith, about his work with Tim Berne, and about playing on Dave's most recent records. We talk about Herb Robertson and listen to some of Tim Berne's earlier work. Dave gets nerdy about firewood, Michael gets nerdy about practicing scales. All in a day's podcast.